d4-conf-atal-2015-0337

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mirror foundnew result: P → P — proved & adversarially reviewed →
paperd4-conf-atal-2015-0337
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The new result

P→P discrete result → its continuous mirror

Answer: Polynomial-time solvable · discrete side: polynomial · adjudication: proved

full proof & adversarial review →

The anchor — algorithmic

Proposition 7

PDF text-layer excerpt — equations and symbol order may be approximateThere is an algorithm that runs in time O(|W| ×||ϕ||) to check, given any set W ⊆2Φ0, any world w ∈W and any formula ϕ ∈L, whether W, w |= ϕ, where ||ϕ|| denotes the size of ϕ, i.e., the number of symbols occurring in ϕ.

statement extracted from the paper’s text layer

Every anchor argued

The continuous mirror question

Given an explicit finite alternative set \(W\), a support \(T_+\) of \(\tau\) complete, equal-depth RCL formula types \(\varphi_t=A^t_1\triangledown\cdots\triangledown A^t_d\), binary-rational masses \(\mu_t>0\) summing to \(1\), and a rational quota \(\alpha\in(0,1]\), define \(h_t(w)=\min\{j:w\models A^t_j\}\) and \(q_\alpha(w)=\min\{k:\sum_{t:h_t(w)\le k}\mu_t\ge\alpha\}\). Compute the alternatives \(w\in W\) minimizing \(q_\alpha(w)\). When \(\mu_t=n_t/n\) and \(\alpha=\tau_0/n\), this agrees with the finite \(F_{\tau_0}\) choice rule on equal-depth profiles.

The model it lives in

A society is a distribution over complete RCL reason hierarchies, with each formula hierarchy a type and its binary-rational mass the fraction of members using it. For each listed alternative, calculate the earliest priority tier supported by at least quota \(\alpha\), then return the alternatives with the best such tier. This is computable in time polynomial in \(|W|\), \(\tau\), total formula length, and input bit length.

The objection that survived

Proposition 7 evaluates a supplied RCL formula, while this mirror adds proportional quota aggregation; the exact finite match is established only for equal-depth profiles.

fatal: False

What the mirror covers

The mirror covers choice generation through the uniform quota rule, with exact discrete agreement on equal-depth profiles; it leaves the axiomatic claims in Theorem 1 and Corollary 1, as well as the other collective rules, without a continuous analogue here.

Open questions for a prover

The case FOR (proponent)

The strongest positive case is modest and algorithmic. The paper has no named hardness result to anchor a question about hardness dissolving; its suitable computational anchor is Proposition 7, proved here. It says that, given any explicit set of alternatives \(W\subseteq 2^{\Phi_0}\), an alternative \(w\in W\), and an RCL formula \(\varphi\), an algorithm decides whether \(W,w\models\varphi\) in time \(O(|W|\cdot\|\varphi\|)\), where \(\|\varphi\|\) is the number of symbols in the formula. The paper’s main Theorem 1 concerns axiomatic conditions, not computational complexity, so I would not use it as an anchor.

A plausible high-multiplicity regime is a large membership organization choosing from a shared, finite slate of policy packages. Members use a fixed response format to express priorities among package properties. A type is one complete RCL reason hierarchy in that format; mass is the fraction of members using it. There could be hundreds of thousands of members but only tens or hundreds of distinct formula types. Members with the same formula are indistinguishable for the collective rule, as high multiplicity requires.

That gives a precise mirror: Continuous Quota-RCL Model Checking. Let \(W\) be explicit, and let the society have support \(T_+\) of \(\tau\) types, with positive binary-rational masses \(\mu_t\) summing to one. Require each type \(t\) to have a complete, equal-depth formula \(\varphi_t=A^t_1\triangledown\cdots\triangledown A^t_d\), where \(W\models\bigvee_{j=1}^d A^t_j\). Given a rational quota \(\alpha\in(0,1]\), define
\[ h_t(w)=\min\{j:w\models A^t_j\},\qquad q_\alpha(w)=\min\left\{k:\sum_{t:h_t(w)\le k}\mu_t\ge\alpha\right\}. \]
The continuous collective choice set is
\[ C_\alpha=\{w\in W:q_\alpha(w)=\min_{v\in W}q_\alpha(v)\}. \]
The problem is to compute \(C_\alpha\), or decide whether a queried \(w\) belongs to it.

This is a direct mass version of the paper’s uniform quota rule \(F_\tau\). For a finite profile in which \(n_t\) agents have type \(t\), set \(\mu_t=n_t/n\) and \(\alpha=\tau/n\). With equal formula depth, the tier-\(k\) clause of \(F_\tau\) holds at \(w\) exactly when at least \(\tau\) agents have \(h_t(w)\le k\). Thus the continuous choice set agrees exactly with the finite rule on that profile.

I expect this mirror to be tractable. Evaluate each type’s tiers on every alternative, sum the corresponding binary-rational masses, and find the alternatives with minimum quota rank. The running time is polynomial in \(|W|\), \(\tau\), the total formula length \(S\), and the bit length \(L\) of the masses and quota. This stays close to Proposition 7’s explicit-alternative model checking, while representing repeated agents by their type masses instead of expanding them into a long profile. I think the authors would recognize it: their agents already submit RCL formulas, and their collective rules already include quotas.

The weak point is that this does not expose a hard discrete problem whose hardness might disappear. Proposition 7 is already a polynomial-time result, and the exact correspondence I give is for the equal-depth subcase of \(F_\tau\). The paper’s examples also involve small groups, so the large-template population is a plausible new regime, not one established by the paper. That limits the claim: this is a credible continuous mirror of its collective model-checking result, not evidence that the paper’s central contribution is about computational hardness or that its full range of formula profiles has already been continuized.

The case AGAINST (opponent, writing after the proponent)

The best negative point is an anchor mismatch. Proposition 7 checks one RCL formula on an explicitly listed set of alternatives; it does not study a population or collective aggregation. A population mirror would really extend the paper’s uniform quota rule \(F_\tau\). That is a change of input and semantics, not a continuization of Proposition 7 alone.

The stronger version of that mirror is still convincing. Let each type be a complete RCL formula, with mass \(\mu_t\), and let \(h_t(w)\) be the first priority tier satisfied by alternative \(w\). For a proportional quota \(\alpha\), define \(q_\alpha(w)\) as the first tier where the mass of types with \(h_t(w)\) no greater than that tier reaches \(\alpha\). Returning the alternatives with the best \(q_\alpha\) gives a meaningful continuous quota rule; returning all their \(q_\alpha\) values preserves the induced ranking too. When \(\mu_t=n_t/n\) and \(\alpha=\tau/n\), it recovers the finite quota condition. Formula types are a plausible high-multiplicity regime, and neither identity dependence nor a vanishing limit defeats it.

The remaining case against is that this looks like a weighted evaluation of an explicit rule: check each type against each listed alternative, then accumulate masses by tier. It introduces no pricing or implicit optimization problem. But that is a weak objection under ChoCo’s stated scope: a tractable mirror is still a result, and there is no continuous treatment in the paper that makes this one a collision. I can’t honestly make the case that no worthwhile mirror exists here; the negative case is weak.

The adversarial triple: the proponent anchors on up to three named results; the opponent sees that case and must defeat every anchor; the judge decides which case convinced it. These are the pipeline’s own outputs, generated by tools/triple_run.py — no human edited them. The paper’s own text is not reproduced here beyond the quoted statement above.